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From: [e-mail] (Timothy P. Cornish)
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Subject: Mosaic GPF, certain home pages


I have noticed that certain html's cause a GPF in at least both alpha2 and
alpha4 Mosaic. I have tracked down the faulty line in one of the html's:

<img align top src="/pics/rush.gif">

following the reference to the same .gif. It GPFs even when inline images are
disabled. It seems that this command places the .gif on the page, but I don't
know enough about writing WWW pages to deduce any more.

Is there something in the way I am set up that is causing the GPF when it
tries to align the image?
If someone would like to verify the GPFs, the page is:

http://neptune.corp.harris.com/rush.html

Thanks in advance.     Tim.
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From: [e-mail] (Martin Beenham)
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Subject: Re: The purpose of this news group: netsurfing?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Clouden) writes:
> I couldn't agree more. Although I just recently hooked into the net and
> therefore, alt.winsock, it seems that the primary focus is winsock utility
> availability, what is winsock, and hey - How about that latest Mosaic?

The newsgroups are the discussions that take place in them. Discussions
in this newsgroup have long centred around configuration issues and the
like. As you've just recently hooked into the net you wouldn't
necessarily know that.

Netiquette is that you read a news group for a while to find out what
it's about before pronouncing on what it should or shouldn't consist of!

> If i'm reading the wrong newsgroup for winsock programming discussion, then
> please point me to the correct one. But it seems to me that these 'stray'
> discussions need a better home.

There is nothing stopping you starting a newsgroup for the type of
discussion _you_ wish to have provided you can find enough like-minded
others to support you. At the moment IMHO, this thread is proceeding
along the lines of a "stray" discussion. This newsgroup is to discuss
matters winsock, not new newsgroups. There is a venue and a procedure
for new newsgroups.

Hope this helps,

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Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 22:59:31
From: [e-mail] (Mark Clouden)
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Subject: Developers needed for early testing

  I am in the need of some objective viewpoints. What I need is a half dozen
programmers, actively willing to learn sockets programming or, even better,
experienced winsock developers.

  I have written a number of berkeley sockets apps and developement kits for
a Tandem mainframe system where all communications are done in a non-blocking
fashion. Upon switching to Windows based client development I was pretty
frustrated by the winsock spec. Hey, it works and all, Im not saying anything
aout the quality, but it was a bear to learn. SO...

  What I have is a C API for 'higher' level winsock programming. All the basic
functionality is there, just with a slightly different twist. It's much easier
to handle non-blocking operations (at least, in my opinion), as well as
redefining the way some of the notifications occur - which, again, made more
sense to me.

  I currently have available the basic API (currently called WSNETWRK) and
should have an ICMP (Echo Request) and 'echo' (Both TCP and UDP in both client
and server form) API extension available later this week, early next week. The
idea is, while I have some time, to keep adding extensions - an FTP Client and
Server API, SMTP, POP3 client, and others (i've been avoiding telnet since I
rarely use it anyway). I can make the source code for the ICMP and echo
extensions available when they are complete (i.e. - debugged - where I am now)
as an example of how to not only use the API, but to extend it.

  I also have a Visual C++ MFC app which create multiple Ping, echo client,
and echo server document child windows. I did this mostly to test out many
windows in the same task communicating at the same time, and at heavy loads.
That in itself may not of much use, but the code for the document and view
classes will be available.

  Client sockets are created easily and can be subclassed. Server sockets are
just as easy, and the act of spawning a connection socket is a piece of cake.
Oh, and they can be subclassed too. The entire DLL is designed for multiple
task registration and socket management on a per task basis.

  I'm not quite sure where all this may lead, i'm just enjoying the ease with
which I can work with sockets myself, but would be interseted in seeing this
expand. I expect to add VBX versions, and to expand the list of available
Visual C++ document/view classes.

 SO (again), I need some people who are willing to beat it around abit, even
if it's just to just critique the API calls.

  Understand three points - 1) This is NOT winsock programming, WSNETWRK is a
wrapper to winsock - 2) This is not a replacement for WINSOCK - it is based on
and uses winsock - 3) All socket operations ar NON-blocking.

  It has been tested using Pathworks 5.0(beta), WFW311, and Distinct (Ethernet
and SLIP).

 At such an early stage of development I make no promises about any benefit to
you in helping me out here, but at the very least you will get a copy with
which to do your own development. I would though appreciate any help,
suggestions, criticism, etc...

  I will except the first half dozen responses via email to
[e-mail], that is, if anyone is willing.


  Thanks very much

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Mark Clouden
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From: [e-mail] (Marco Papa)
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Subject: Re: Question: SLIP using Chameleon's Newt

Norbert Hoffmann ([e-mail]) wrote:
:  BTW, if the last number changes then you do have dynamic addressing. It
: doesn't really seem to matter what address I put in the custom setup for my
: remote PC. I didn't need the suggested 1.1.1.1.
: I am using Chameleon 4.0. I believe as far as SLIP is concerned there is no
: difference between it and the one you are using.

Not entirely true. According to the book 0.0.0.0 is not cool.

-- Marco





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From: [e-mail] (Paul Begley)
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Subject: Re: Internet in a Box

[e-mail] wrote:

: Does anybody have any strong feeling pro or con about
: Sprys Internet In a Box Product or their products in general?

I looked into the Spry TCP/IP products before they came out with the
'internet in a box' product.

They are pushing a TCP/IP 'layer' product for developers which is
attractive, but may be dated with Winsock and other facilities.  The
Internet in a box is a good value for the software, but I question the
$13/hr connect charges and recommend that people look for local
Internet providers.

The $13/hr is from memory - but Net Access (Philadelphia Internet
provider) offers 4 hrs/day SLIP access for $25/month.

Hope this helps.
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Subject: Winsock for Wollongong Pathway


I want to run Winsock application on my PC which has been installed
Wollongong Pathway TCP/IP protocol stack. The file "winsock.dll" from the
vendor is copied in Windows directory. But when I try to run "hgopher", it
repors an error "Cannot talk to Network - cannot continue. What's wrong
with my setup? Is Winsock not supported by Pathway?
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From: [e-mail] (Mario Babini)
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Subject: Odipkt 2.0 and Trumpet Winsock

While it is recommended by ODIPKT 2.0 to set the buffers in NET.CFG to

Buffers 6 1600

I receive a warning in Trumpet Winsock, which says

Running with less than recommended network buffers.

Have you any suggestions what would be a suitable number to be
allocated to the network buffers?

Dr. Mario Babini
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Jones)
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Subject: Re: Using Microsofts WFW 3.11 Winsock stuff with Novell 3.X

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clayton Nash) writes:
>I've installed the WFW 3.11 winsock stuff (not the daytona beta stuff) and so
>far it is the only winsock I could get working stably. Its neat simple and
>transparent.There are two problems I'd like to solve with it.
>1) I can't run ODI drivers since it complains they are "exhanced mode only
>drivers" How do I get ODI drivers to operate in real and enhanced mode?
>2) I can't get netware to run with this thing. From dos netware works and I
>can see the Novell drives from under windows, but telnet and netbeui die
>horribly.
>Any input would be apreciated.
>Thanks - Clayton

Uninstall all the TCP/IP stuff, and get the Daytona Beta - It works just
great with the ODI drivers under WFW3.11. (And you save a ton of low memory!!)
Doug
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Subject: Re: Cello hangs on a graphic

In article <markg.51.00096AFC@[129.15.35.21]> markg@[129.15.35.21] (Mark Grennan) writes:
>From: markg@[129.15.35.21] (Mark Grennan)
>Subject: Cello hangs on a graphic
>Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 15:25:00 GMT

>I have an HTML with a graphic as the first item. When I connect to my server
>(SERWEB a winsock server) Cello hangs on the graphic. Mosaic doesn't do this.

>I've traced the TCP calls and it looks like Cello never make the server call
>to get the graphic even though it says it has.

>Is anyone else having this trouble.

Yes, I have had the same kind of trouble.

I'm using MS-Daytona WinsockBeta, Novell with ODI, WFW 3.11, Xvision on a
486-pc.

Using xterm-windows towards a sun4-unixstation works fine, but opening a html
with graphics hangs cello.  Finally cello crashes reporting memory protection
fault.  I also experience problems with WS_FTP, reporting a similar fault when
it crashes.

Have you had any reply's on your newsgroup add , or have you managed to solve
your problem ?

- - [e-mail] - -
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Subject: Re: The purpose of this news group: netsurfing?

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Clouden) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tore
>Haraldsen) writes:
>>I have read this group since the beginning, and I observe the noise level is
>>growing each week, the noise being of the type "How do I setup xxxx
>>communications package" or "how do I make SLIP/PPP work" or "why do this
>>(winsock) application not behave to my needs". Winsock programming is almost
>>extinct in this group. As a matter of fact, most stuff is only indirectly
>>related to winsock.
>>Maybe we need a new news group: alt.netsurf or (why not) alt.winsurf ?

>>-- tore

>I couldn't agree more. Although I just recently hooked into the net and
>therefore, alt.winsock, it seems that the primary focus is winsock utility
>availability, what is winsock, and hey - How about that latest Mosaic?

>If i'm reading the wrong newsgroup for winsock programming discussion, then
>please point me to the correct one. But it seems to me that these 'stray'
>discussions need a better home.

Try comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.networks and/or
    comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip

I would prefer to see programming issues in the these groups, lets keep
the app issues here in alt.winsock.

Have Fun,
Roy

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